Slip Under The Covers with us as we deep dive into Nelly Korda's club selection. Pillow Talk some Chevron Championship and Zurich Classic. And can't forget about the Honda Civic irons that JRose aquired
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Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ hello. Welcome back to a new episode of Under the Covers, the golf podcast where we deep dive each week into the latest PGA Tour winners bag. Last week we had a very live heavy episode, but this week we're so back to PGA because we have a lot to talk about. Zurich Classic happened, the Chevron Championship LPGA Major to talk about. My name is Dominic. We are your hosts. We have Matt with us. What's going on, Matt?
Matthew Zampello: What's up Dom? Last week I told you I was taking a hiatus from the game. I found a swing thought. I'm back. We're feeling good. So.
Kevin Spisak: Thank
Dominic Colangelo: I think we love to hear this every single episode, that you're so back, or you have some kind of issue. What was your swing thought that you found?
Matthew Zampello: Stay in the box. You gotta stay in the box. I was moving outside of the box.
Dominic Colangelo: Was there a two degree difference in the weather? So it was going five yards short and then, you know, there's a little bit of on the ground because it's early morning. So it's going to add a couple of yards or what were we thinking?
Matthew Zampello: Okay Bryson, ⁓ no, just you know, just just getting a little ahead of myself just too excited to hit the ball, you know what mean?
Dominic Colangelo: Well, hey, we're excited too. And we're also excited that Kevin's here on a little work trip. What's going on, Kevin?
Kevin Spisak: Yo, yeah, I'm on a work trip at Lake The Ozarks. I was ⁓ supposed to play. A coworker got us a pretty sick tee time at Port-A-Sima Golf Club, or sorry, the club at Port-A-Sima. Pretty, pretty nice club. think Golf Digest one time gave it like their best in the state for Missouri. It started off pretty sick and then we got rained on after four holes. So we didn't even get to make it to the scenic part. ⁓ If you look at the course layout,
Dominic Colangelo: Ooh.
Kevin Spisak: lakeside holes, picturesque holes going in, million dollar boats in the background, million dollar house in the background. Didn't get to see it. Got the hat though. ⁓ Cartboy needs to work on his ⁓ hospitality skills though. the, yeah, during when we got rained on and we thought like, all right, let's go to the bar, we'll wait this out, go to pull up to the cart barn.
Dominic Colangelo: Is that right?
Kevin Spisak: You know, back when I was a card boy is like, yeah, you let people pull in, keep their stuff dry. Then when play is ready, pull back out. He's got, he's got a cart there. I was like, yeah, can I pull in? He was. Yeah, I'm going to finish cleaning these three carts first. I was like, okay, I guess I'll just sit here in the rain, just getting dumped on. It's like, what kind of like private club is this? You know, and, uh, I know he, he just like.
Dominic Colangelo: Right.
Matthew Zampello: Kevin has beef with the cardboard.
Dominic Colangelo: What in the world?
Kevin Spisak: He just like gave us some attitude. guess, you we were unaccompanied guests. So it's like, whatever. you know, I, I, yeah, I thought it was a pretty like simple thing to just like pull one cart out of the way and let us like get dry. But he thought otherwise.
Matthew Zampello: oof
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah. It's still strange though.
Matthew Zampello: If you're listening, Cartboy, Kevin wants to fight you.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah. Yeah. And then like after, after he like told us that we could sit there and wait in the rain, he goes, you know, I don't think it's going to clear up for a while. And it was like, ⁓ yeah. Thanks for your insight, bud.
Dominic Colangelo: It's on site next time we're in the Ozarks. in world. mean, it's a pretty private club, assuming. I was gonna say typically you wanna treat your guests well so they wanna join, but maybe he was like, they're not joining.
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely what he was saying. And his way of saying that was also like, get the hell out of here. Like, number one, don't play your cart in here. And number two, please leave as fast as possible.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ that's ridiculous. That sucks you got rained out. I'm assuming you can't go back on this trip.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah. No, yeah, we went to the pro shop and they they gave us a reimbursement. It was weird. was 275 bucks for the round as an unaccompanied guest. And then when they quote unquote reimbursed us, it was like eight dollars short. So it's like, what did we get charged the eight dollars for? Was it for the four holes? Because then then the two dollars per hole, you know, should have been a lot cheaper around.
Dominic Colangelo: I never heard of a pro rated refund.
Kevin Spisak: I have no idea what was going on there.
Dominic Colangelo: That's insane. Well, let's get into the classic recap because we don't like cart boys anymore. ⁓ The fifth Patrick Brothers, Matt and Alex have won this tournament in very fun fashion. ⁓ That bunker shot on 18 was ridiculous. The announcer, the field reporter said that was all ball. And I was like, did he just sky it past? It was insane. Awesome way to finish that.
Matthew Zampello: I was watching this thing where they had cameras on them after they were walking around and I think the first text that fits open was from Rory and Rory was like, what a fucking bunker shot, which is so sick. Imagine getting that text from Rory. Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: you That'd be cool. It's almost why wasn't he playing? Well, he should be here.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. But yeah, I mean, dude, I think, I mean, last two weeks, does Matt Fitzpatrick have the clutch gene? He asked you now, right? I mean, it kind of validates that pulled iron shot at RBC a little bit, I think. Like, it's like, OK, well, you could do that. I mean, maybe you were maybe you were aiming right there. But ⁓ I am very, very afraid of Matt. I would be very afraid if I had to go.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah. even as bad shots are good.
Kevin Spisak: Yep.
Matthew Zampello: play against Matt Fitzpatrick ⁓ at the end of a tournament and or Ryder Cup. I think that would be a very scary matchup ⁓ at this moment in time. He seems to be, he seems to have that dog in him.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ So with this win, ⁓ Alex Fitzpatrick gets a PGA Tour card through 2028. So two and a half years on the PGA Tour. That's insane. That's worth a ton of money. ⁓ All signature events in 2026. So that would be $20 million in guaranteed purses that he gets to play in over the next, the rest of the season. A 2026 PGA Championship Exemption and a 2027 Players Championship Exemption. pretty insane. ⁓ Pretty good gift from your from your brother Dom. You should probably text Tony and see why he didn't become the number three player in the world.
Kevin Spisak: Hehehe
Dominic Colangelo: You know, it's a little rude of him. I don't know what he's doing with his life right now. I hope you're listening, Pony. Get out of here.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, the terrible brother. Yeah. Definitely best brother of the year award. looked like Matt was so happy at the end, maybe even happier than his brother to have that happen. I gave him that gift and it's the power of Skechers, the power of friendship, guess. Power of brother-ship.
Matthew Zampello: Kevin, we're gonna order a pair of Skechers.
Kevin Spisak: that I did actually think on 18. was like, this sounds kind of look okay. I guess I just wish they had a different logo.
Matthew Zampello: I they're $160. I don't know if I'd pay $160 for a But if you're listening, Skechers, you can send them here and we'll wear them.
Dominic Colangelo: you
Kevin Spisak: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah, it's like watching him swaying and like. Math at Patrick is just so good. He like probably makes anything look good, but I was thinking to myself is like, am I a brand or like am I the problem here? Why hate these sketches so bad?
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, we'll test them out. They got that master screen.
Matthew Zampello: We should get Kevin a hat that has, it's like, know, the upside down or the big letter hats. We should get Kevin one that just says frumpy and make him wear it. And make him wear it at like the next time he sees Matt Fitzpatrick in person or something.
Dominic Colangelo: Mm-hmm.
Kevin Spisak: That'd be sick, I'd wear it. If you buy it for me, I'll wear it. Yeah. Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: That's awesome. And then we gotta put the Skechers logo on the side. I think we can do it. So explain to me.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, I'll wear some Skechers and Mandels in the process.
Dominic Colangelo: Explain to me about the prize that Alex got. So did he win because that's what the winner of the tournament gets or did he win enough points to achieve these things? Because I'm very confused by it.
Kevin Spisak: It's like any if you win a PGA Tour event when you don't have exemption like this is what you get. So this is a unique event because it's a partner event. It's like the only one that would happen in this fashion.
Dominic Colangelo: Mmm.
Matthew Zampello: The only other thing that I think is you can technically win, like if you play in a sponsor's exemption, this would be a similar thing, right? If a tournament, it's like AT &T was like, hey, we want somebody that doesn't have any status to play in this event and then they win, they would get all this stuff as well. So, there's a little bit of online stuff with it because they're like, well, he didn't, he wasn't the only one playing, et cetera, et cetera. Like he still hit 50 % of the shots.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ okay, nice.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, it's still hard to do.
Kevin Spisak: Some could some could argue that he was almost their detriment on Sunday That like Matt totally saved them some could argue that I might not or I might Matt Matt really really picked them up
Dominic Colangelo: Some might.
Matthew Zampello: I He I mean Alex if you saw I think he had a flop shot from like behind the green after like Matt like came out of a wedge to though. I don't know Alex had some good shots like yes, Matt Fitzpatrick was like the alpha obviously, but I don't know I I think I think you both have to play good to win but
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, he's certainly a player. Like obviously he won DP tour events. So it's like, who am I to say that he's not good, but like it was like those last couple holes, it seemed like he was putting Matt in the position to like tap in putts so that then he would tee off on the next hole. So it was like, you're going back and watching and it's like, why is he teeing off on every hole? And it's like, Mathis Patrick is the one who clearly has like picked up all the speed, you know, and he is like killing it on tour, like driving accuracy and driving distance. You know, and like what they shot wasn't as 73 on Sunday.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ Yeah, I think it was something like that. Yeah, cuz I think they're like one over whatever but
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ I was I randomly found this Instagram account called pull cuts, which I'm really into right now. And they're big Matt and Alex Fitzpatrick fans because they both hit pull cuts off the tee. ⁓ It's like if you go down the Instagram rabbit hole, it's like they just they just have shots of players hitting pull cuts and they try to convince everybody why pull cuts are the best shot to hit on tour and everything and all this sort of stuff, which I believe. But it's it was was sick to find that. I was definitely up for like an extra hour last night in bed just watching. I watched video. I watched an hour worth of pull cuts.
Dominic Colangelo: That's awesome.
Kevin Spisak: When Dom's bombing it, he hits a pole cut.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, Dom, you're a pull cutter.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ yeah, I don't know why I'm doing it, but I do it.
Kevin Spisak: There's something so impressive about people who can hit that pole cut where, you know, it's like the cut produces more spin, but you can still bomb it. You know, my cut just loses so much distance and just all the energy is lost in the spin. I just like marvel at people who can do it.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: I wish I could tell you how.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ Speaking of great drivers of the golf ball, Nelly Korda. Domination. Domination. And on the LPGA Tour Chevron Championship. ⁓ When she makes putts, nobody beats her, I think.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ baby. Dominate. Oh yeah, absolutely. She hit 16 of 18 greens in reg on Sunday. Insane. I think she said in the interview, it's like, whenever I can hit the greens, then I can win. Like I'm missing putts, but I'm still winning because I'm hitting greens. I'm like, yeah. I'm paraphrasing obviously, but something similar to that.
Matthew Zampello: I didn't know she was 5'10".
Kevin Spisak: You
Dominic Colangelo: Really? I thought she was 6 plus for sure.
Matthew Zampello: I had no idea. No, she's only 5'10". But I thought that was tall, at least for me.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, it's above the average for females.
Kevin Spisak: relatively, yeah.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ I feel like the chevron, so I've played Memorial Park a bunch of times, cool golf course, but the chevron is like, I guess they try, it's like the masters, right, of the women's game. Like it doesn't move courses, it's the same course every year. I feel like they need like a classic club in the South. If they can't do like Augusta, which I think if they could do Augusta, it'd be sick, it would never happen, but. Like they could go to a classic club like Colonial or something. If Colonial doesn't get a like a signature event and like really like lean into that, right. And like lean into a classic club that has famous holes. I just don't think anybody's ever going to. I think that's what makes Augusta so good is like, you know, the holes and you know what it's going to look like every year. And I just feel like nobody's ever really going to get that with Memorial park, but who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. I feel like they, that, that tournament doesn't have an identity right now, but. If it's at Memorial Park, which I guess it is through 2029, think Nellie might win for the next four years.
Dominic Colangelo: I know she's going to keep winning. mean, that's her second one. When did she win? 2024. So two years ago. And wasn't she like, was she in the running last year too? Or am I wrong?
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. think she was, maybe not last year. I don't know, she was, or she got a lot of like, she was a lot, she did a lot of close calls in this tournament, but yeah, I mean, she, I think she's, she just needs, or she needs to play well at the US Open this year. I think that's kind of her big thing, so.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, she is ridiculous. ⁓ And why we're talking about her so much is typically we're doing PGA, but we're gonna switch gears this week again a little bit. And we're gonna do Nellie Cortez under the covers. ⁓ It's a LBGA major. I feel like there was a lot of attention on this one. More than normal, I feel like. I don't know if it's just because it's one of the more popular majors for the women's tournaments, but. ⁓ Very fun watch. So Nellie Korda, she wins her 17th career win on tour and acquires her third major. So just mentioned that 2024 she won to Chevron as well. And then she also in 21 won the KPMG Women's PGA Championship. So she's winning majors. It's insane that she never won any tournaments last year. I don't fully understand that or how that happens.
Kevin Spisak: you
Dominic Colangelo: I know you were mentioning that she switched to the Spider last year, but ⁓ back to the Chevron. So opening around 65, 65, and then went 70, 70. And on Sunday she had a five stroke lead coming into it. And I don't think it ever got any closer than four, maybe three strokes, but she was just insane the entire time, ⁓ fully in control for sure. and set some records as well, 36 hole lead. And then I think she tied the 54, but I could be wrong there. I don't know if she beat it or not. So then, like I said, only missed two greens in regulation on that last round. And Matt, I'm let you pronounce the runner up because I'm going to botch it, but she was playing well too, it seemed like.
Matthew Zampello: Patty Tavacana Kit. ⁓ god, don't know if I got that. But Patty T, I think that's Patty T. Yeah. Patty T.
Dominic Colangelo: You know, it sounded great. Patty T. But so.
Kevin Spisak: Matt loves people named Patty.
Matthew Zampello: Patty Ice. Yeah, Patty Ice. I do. Yeah, I've got a soft stop from Pats.
Dominic Colangelo: What'd say?
Kevin Spisak: Matt loves people named Patty.
Dominic Colangelo: Petty eyes.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: So the, uh, before we get into what's under the covers, I did want to shout out the, uh, cause it's kind of in the news right now too, is the, what is considered a grand slam in the LPGA. So everyone's been saying that, well, let me say this, there's five majors in the LPGA. Typically, you know, in the PGA, there's only four, but whenever you win four of these five, it is considered.
Matthew Zampello: Mmm.
Dominic Colangelo: a Grand Slam and a lot of people are saying, well, why shouldn't you win all five? Which is very interesting, but there's really only, there's only one person who's won all five and that's Carrie Webb. So I don't know if it's, and they call it the super Grand Slam when you win all five. So it's interesting that ⁓ they consider the Grand Slam with four. I don't know where that came from. Was that started, you know, do you know about that Matt?
Matthew Zampello: Well, the Evian wasn't a major until maybe like 10 years ago, maybe even 2013. Okay, so I think because like Annika Sorensten, I don't know if she ever won the Evian. Like she was kind of finished playing before that became a major, but she definitely, or I think she won the Grand Slam before that. So like, I guess if you add a major.
Kevin Spisak: 2013.
Matthew Zampello: Are you gonna take away Grand Slams from people that never had a chance to win the Evian? Like I think that's why they do it essentially, right? Like if you made the players in the men's game a major, do you retroactively be like, ⁓ well. you know, Jack Nicklaus never won the Grand Slam. Right?
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, or Tiger 1, Tiger 1, seven more majors or whatever it is.
Matthew Zampello: Right, like yeah, it's kind of hard. So I think like they just made a lot in the sand and the Evian has always been kind of like a half major They bought themselves, I think, into being a major. ⁓
Dominic Colangelo: Gotcha. So one more stat about Nellie is she has, I mentioned that she never won last year, but this year has been a hot start. So there's been five events this year. She's been, she's either won it or got second place in every event. And the only two people that we just mentioned are Annika Sorenstam and Carrie Webb. So pretty sweet company to start off the year. ⁓ know, Annika being the most dominant golfer in the game. And then Carrie Webb is obviously a legend too, but. Nelly Korda gets the win Chevron Championship. Kevin, let us know what's under the covers.
Kevin Spisak: Ask me what's under Nellie's covers. That like a loaded question here, but let's talk about her golf clubs. so, ⁓ Nelly Taylormade staffer, ⁓ big made branded, ⁓ in person through and through except for ⁓ she have one kind of odd club, but, ⁓
Dominic Colangelo: Change of wording, change of wording.
Kevin Spisak: TaylorMade QI 4D driver. Her shaft is pretty exciting. The Graphite Tour AD FI 6S. So the FI is new for 2026. And it is mid-launch, low to mid-spin. So Dom, I feel like this would be a fun one for you to try out sometime. Give me a guess, what does FI stand for?
Dominic Colangelo: Mm-hmm. You have one, Matt?
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ no, I have no idea. was thinking.
Kevin Spisak: Hehehe.
Dominic Colangelo: was thinking something with like the torque, but I have no idea.
Matthew Zampello: Isn't F-I stand for nickel on the periodic table?
Dominic Colangelo: No, that would be enough.
Kevin Spisak: I think that's iron. But no, F-I stands for Flight Intelligence.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ dammit. Mmm.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ yeah, give me a thousand guesses I would not have got.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, so ⁓ there's some interesting things there in the FI that it considers the butt section to be firm plus, firm plus in the center section and stiff tip. So that's how it gets like the mid launch. ⁓ There's, you know, when you look at Graphite Designs descriptions, there's like, you know, kind of some marketing lingo, the tornado tip tech, tor. Toriaka M40X material technologies. It's something in how they make the shaft. But Graphic Design, just like we've said before, they have so many different shafts. Their shaft menu is very expansive. You could really get lost in trying out these. So still a fun one, new for 2026. They make cool stuff.
Matthew Zampello: FI stands for fluororivium on the periodic table by the
Kevin Spisak: Okay, nice. I wasn't close with the iron guess, but...
Dominic Colangelo: Thank you for that backtrack. What is nickel?
Matthew Zampello: I think it's Ni. Okay, sorry, we're off top.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, keep going, keep going.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, so. Taylormade Stealth three wood ⁓ Ventus 7S so higher launching Ventus. We talk a lot about the black. Sometimes we sprinkle in a blue. This is our first red. ⁓ Fun one, you know she's looking for some high launch, you know some ⁓ higher launch big carry numbers on the three wood and then she uses the Stealth 2 still on the seven wood, but with the black seven S so. lower launch, spin on the seven wood. And just kind of an interesting pair there with lower loft to three wood, higher loft seven wood, but then mixing the shafts. A little uncommon for some of the players we've seen, but you could kind of understand the thought she's going for. She wants long bombing three woods and then really controlled more More stopping power with the loft, but really controlled with the lower launch on the 7 wood cool stuff there. Interesting that she's still playing the Stealth 2. You guys have any thoughts about the Stealth 2 versus some of the other fairway woods we've covered?
Matthew Zampello: Stealth 2, I feel like that was an unpopular line. I feel like the Stealth more popular than the Stealth 2, right? If I'm not mistaken.
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, down go.
Dominic Colangelo: Turkey food. I feel like it flew under the radar a little bit because ⁓ stealth had a massive marketing push. And then all of sudden I started seeing stealth twos in people's bags. And I'm like, when did this even happen? Maybe it was more on the YouTube ⁓ influencer kind of train that I just didn't see. yeah, definitely feel like I saw more stealths out there.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, the self too is kind of interesting. I feel like with the stealth people were excited about the carbon face and then on the self too, I think the carbon face excitement kind of dwindled and then there was some like social media horror stories of people like cracking the carbon face or just like bad production quality. And then when they got to some of the later lines, like, you know, the QI 10, QI 35 and now QI 40, the carbon face. you know, is OK, at least when it came to the driver marketing. You know, but with. You know, some of the other fairway woods like we talk about, like the the same titanium and some of the other like titanium face stuff, I don't recall if the stealth to that was has always been titanium or if it ever used. Did any of the woods use a carbon face? Do you know,
Matthew Zampello: I don't think the woods have gotten into the carbon face yet. I the woods have always been.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, I think it was just on the driver and that's how I feel like their marketing was. And so, you know, my, my memory of the stealth and stealth too, is like the marketing of the driver and like how obsessed they were with like promoting the carbon phase.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. Yeah. The sequel is never as good as the original.
Dominic Colangelo: Facts.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, I did stealth two, three hybrid that I loved for like a short amount of time. And I thought I could just like absolutely nuke it. It was like going as far as my three would. And, um, you know, it kind of seemed like it was almost like a redundant club in the bag. So I thought it was like this, cheat code. And then I just got really erratic with it. And then it, was short-lived in the bag.
Dominic Colangelo: Would that be the head or is that partly the shaft? Like did you put that head on a shaft you've been using or what?
Kevin Spisak: No, I used the hazardous black shaft in that and then it was 100 % my fault. Like I just, I was, I was hitting like these low, like screamers that would just like run for days. ⁓ and I just felt like I couldn't like control it, like don't distance wise. I, it was just too unpredictable for me.
Dominic Colangelo: Mm-hmm. I do want to bring us back a little bit. you were mentioning on our driver shaft, I feel like the graphite design is a little bit different in this way, but you're mentioning there's thirds, different sections of stiffness. So do you know why does that, closer to the head, why does that being more flexible, why does it give you low spin? I figured that'd be more whippy and spinny.
Kevin Spisak: So the tip section, that's why it's low to mid on the spin. The tip section controls a lot of the spin. So it's like firm plus in the midsection and the butt. And then just stiff in the tip. So the looser tip would add spin. So I think you're thinking of it correctly. Am I misunderstanding?
Dominic Colangelo: Yes. No. I think I'm confused.
Kevin Spisak: Okay. So the mid section would control, the mid and butt would control a lot of the launch, like high and low. The butt would really feel like in your hands, like how stiff or how soft something feels. You could in theory have a high launching shaft that feels extremely stiff in your hands. But in this, it's going to feel kind of stiff. It's going to launch low.
Dominic Colangelo: Mm-hmm.
Kevin Spisak: but then have a little bit higher spin in comparison to the launch because it's a little bit softer tip, but it's still a stiff tip. Does that make sense? Matt, I explaining that?
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, okay, gotcha.
Matthew Zampello: Yes, I always equate it back because I think the Ventus has done such a good job at, and I know we're talking about the graphic design, but I feel like the Ventus has done such a good job of being like black is super stiff. You can't feel the head unless you swing it really fast. Blue is in the middle. Red is like you can feel the tip a little bit more. And that's how I was equated back to. I feel like Nelly, maybe correct me if wrong, wants to feel the head more. And feel the face a little bit more where it is. And so she uses a little bit lesser stiff tip section in her driver. So she has that feel that she seems like she likes. ⁓ is that, then, but yeah, I mean, in theory, right though, the stiffer, the tip, the less spin you're going to generate the lower launch, right. And then with the red, right, like a Ventus red, you're going to spin it more. It's going to launch higher. has a less stiff tip section, essentially. All right.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, if you were to cut a shaft shorter, if you cut the tip, you make the shaft stiffer and would then launch lower and spin less.
Matthew Zampello: Hmm. So Gary Woodland does, if you remember that conversation, he cuts two inches off the the tips of a shaft because he spins like crazy.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah
Dominic Colangelo: So then.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, he swings a four by four. That's also like tips.
Dominic Colangelo: I think we did talk about this like week one of our show, but why wouldn't everybody do that? Like is it more tailored to your swing? Like some people generate spin more than others. Cause it seems like everyone's using a low spin.
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm.
Matthew Zampello: When you're playing on tour, right? Like when those guys, when you're swinging a hundred. OK, let's let's I guess when you're on the when you're the guy, when you're on the PGA tour, like the guys are all swinging it 115 to 120 miles an hour. You're going to spin it like crazy. But for somebody like Nelly, who maybe gets up to, you know, she probably sniffs 100 clubhead speed, Kevin, somewhere probably around there when she's swinging it fast. ⁓ Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, I bet 100, 105, 110 maybe.
Matthew Zampello: She just is not going to put as much spin as somebody like Rory who's going to swing it out at 120 plus and just, you know, it's just, it's just dynamics of the club hitting the golf ball. You're going to spin the golf ball.
Kevin Spisak: Right. If think about like the energy you're delivering to the ball, you know, if you swing it faster, like you're going to, you're going to put more spin on it. So it depends on the player and how you deliver the club to the ball. Like someone could have a ton of speed, but just the way they deliver it, you know, maybe they want like higher launch, you know.
Dominic Colangelo: Makes sense.
Kevin Spisak: So moving along, hybrid. This is her one TaylorMade club. She's got Ping G425, 26 degree, playing at 25 with a Ventus blue. So she's got the whole Ventus line here represented. mid-launch, mid-spin on the Ventus blue. Sorry, drop's gone. And the Ping G425 was like. was really famous for the forgiveness ⁓ when it came out. I think that's one of Ping's calling cards, all across the board is good performance and like ultra forgiveness. You know, she's able to, you know, hit those bombs with the three wood, hit like really controlled, like long shots with seven wood, you know, and then have like a lot of versatility and forgiveness with her hybrid. I had a G425 driver. I loved it. It sounded like a metal baseball bat when I hit it. But a very fun club. never hit a hybrid, but I know people that I know have loved them.
Dominic Colangelo: So this seems like just one that she's comfortable with. She probably asked Taylor made, Hey, let me keep this one club. And I'm what, what hybrid would you compare this to? Like, would this be more of a seven hybrid? The 20s is hot.
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm. So it's a it's a five hybrid. It's a five hybrid in the loft and it looks like it's got some like from the pictures of in hand. It looks like it's pretty worn, so she's probably been playing it for a minute.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: Gotcha. Nice.
Kevin Spisak: So then moving on to her irons, some pretty cool ones. Taylor made P770 on the five iron. So player's distance sort of five iron. P7CB, which we've talked about in the sixth through pitching wedge. And her shafts think are like really cool. The Aerotech steel fiber I80CW. So in our common theme, what does CW stand for?
Dominic Colangelo: Mm-hmm.
Matthew Zampello: cavity back.
Kevin Spisak: CW not CB. The shafts, the shafts.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ Center weight.
Matthew Zampello: No, I... The steel fiber has some weird stuff.
Dominic Colangelo: thought that was good. That was a good one. is W.
Kevin Spisak: It's constant weight. So they're about 85 grams per shaft. And in the CW line, they are ⁓ made specifically for the length so that they'll be the exact same weight. And then you're able to change weights in the head. Typically, the shorter irons are going to get heavier in the head so that you can keep the same swing weight through your set.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓
Kevin Spisak: If you were to play the I-80s, not the CW, they're made, you know, one shaft and then you trim it to exactly like what you want for that club. So there's a little more flexibility in like a custom golf fitters ability in the I-80. You know, you can like tip something a little more, cut a little shorter from one end or another depending on like how someone is hitting each individual club. Or you let Steel Fiber determine the shaft and flight characteristics of each individual shaft in the CW. So I think those shafts are pretty cool. A good friend of mine plays Steel Fibers and absolutely loves them. I've had my eye on them for a second as an experimental set that I want to build. But just. You know, little hesitant to spend the money on them. They're actually not that crazy in costs. I think they're like 60 bucks a shaft. ⁓ you know, where some of the higher end shafts can get up closer to like a hundred a shaft.
Dominic Colangelo: And is she maybe using a tour version or is it you can buy the same ones?
Kevin Spisak: think you can buy the same ones. Again, the question's always there on if it's like a marketing thing, if we can actually buy the same ones, but it appears like we can.
Matthew Zampello: They've been out for a while. feel like those fibers, they've been, I remember seeing those like in high school golf with something.
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, very unrelated, but steel fiber has a new graphite putter shaft that they released that I like desperately want to try out. I'm very close to just buying one and slapping it in my potter.
Dominic Colangelo: Is her having the same, like that constant weight? Is there a similarity to Bryson's same length?
Kevin Spisak: No, no, the. ⁓
Matthew Zampello: No, Bryson's dumb.
Kevin Spisak: The non CWs are going to be close, but you're still going to you're still going to try to match your swing weight throughout. This is more in the flight characteristics like steel fiber is making them specific to each club where rather than like a custom club fitter like doctoring up something.
Dominic Colangelo: sick. Okay.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, fun stuff there. We talked about the CWs, players, cavity back. Cool tailor-made set. On her wedges, she's got some different stuff. think you guys saw some cool things she does custom-wise on her wedges. But Taylormade MG4 on her 50 degree. She's got a Proto 54. And then here's another odd ball She's got a Vokey SM11 58 degree. And then on these, she also has the graphite steel fiber I-95, so a little bit heavier than her irons, which is pretty typical, but the I-95CWs, so they're also going to be like a constant weight design for each of her shafts.
Matthew Zampello: love golf equipment because I feel like, right, like you can, Kevin, you dive super deep into like driver shafts and through wood shafts and everything. like, whereas like I'm a little bit more just like, I just push after my driver and I'll see if I like it. Right. And like putter shafts, but like, I love her wedge grinds. I think her wedge grinds are sick. Like she's got the T grind, which is like an ultimate players grind, um, quote on quote tour grind in the 58 degree. And then she also hand grinds the leading edges ⁓ on her other wedges. So that means she, must have some issue with digging into the ground, either on chip shots or full shots or whatever that may be. So she kind of grinds that leading edge off and then she throws some lead tape on the backside to make sure the swing weight stays the same. But I think it's so interesting just how like. She's probably a little taller. She probably comes in a little steeper on most of those wedges than some of the ladies out there. And she kind of hits down into it. And she had a problem obviously with digging in the turf. So she kind of has her own little custom Nelly grinds. then she has a pretty cool stamp, NFK on her 54. I can only assume that stands for Nelly freaking Korda, but I don't know her name.
Kevin Spisak: That's awesome. Yeah. That like kind of blows my mind. Just like I always want like a sharp leading edge just because I want to hit like crispy chip shots and like keep the leading edge under the ball because I'm like so scared to like skull it over the green. If I was as good as Nellie, I'd be able to, you know, custom grind and shave some of that off.
Dominic Colangelo: you
Matthew Zampello: But that would be sick. ever you You're not playing in Bermuda grass, Kev. I've been in St. Louis. gotta get down to Texas and play in the Bermuda grass. You'll take that leading edge right off real quick.
Kevin Spisak: Now, we... Yeah, very true. We got fluffy grass up here in the Midwest.
Dominic Colangelo: What's the difference between grinding that leading edge off and just bending it?
Matthew Zampello: Um, well, bending it will change like the bounce angles. So if you actually bend the, the, the loft, um, obviously you're changing how far it goes. Right. So if you, if you put a 54 to 55, um, you'll kind of change how you're shooting for a target, but really when you're hitting a chip shot, it's not really about the loft. It is, but it's a lot more about how the, how the ground interacts with the, like how the, how the balance of the wedge interacts with the turf. Right. ⁓ let's take the T grind for example, the T grind is a super thin, thin grind. So the sole of the wedge is really thin. So that's the least amount of like club interacting with the turf. So she's basically trying to take away. It takes away a lot of the mistakes. ⁓ then you get into something like the K grind, which has a super wide sole. And those are really good for bunkers because it gets in the bunker and displaces a lot of sand and is able to get under it. So. ⁓ when you get into that shipping, it's, more about how the wedge soul is versus the lofts. It's a whole, it's a whole artist. Yeah, it's why.
Dominic Colangelo: That's cool though, because you recently got a K grind and you were saying that the bunker game was nice, right? Are you still playing it? Two star.
Matthew Zampello: K-Star, so I'm a K-Star guy, which is a triple grind sole, so leading edge relief, kind of like Nelly. Then it's kind of got some relief on the top and then it's got a bunch of heel side relief. So what that does is I can open the wedge up and flat face it on the ground and it sits really flush. In the bunkers, it's really good kind of that middle section and then I can hit square face chips with it within Bermuda here in Texas. it doesn't dig into the ground because there's some leading edge relief.
Dominic Colangelo: I never thought of it as her being taller and she just might be more upright. Maybe whenever I come to Dallas you can grind my wedges off.
Matthew Zampello: She is very upright. I think she's three degrees up. I have got a grinder now here. I have a whole bag full of wedges ⁓ we can go through. And I actually got about three or four old Nike wedges we can play around with.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha ha.
Dominic Colangelo: Ooh, there you go. We should start a new segment called Bump and Grind.
Kevin Spisak: That'd be awesome.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah
Dominic Colangelo: you
Kevin Spisak: That's awesome.
Dominic Colangelo: What kind of putter is she rocking?
Kevin Spisak: Her putters sick. ⁓ I don't normally like love Taylormade putters. Like, yeah, they're cool, but they're just like, don't have that wow factor. But I think her putter like does have the wow factor. Her NK Proto. She had previously played in Olsen, which we've talked about a lot that the Logan Olsen putters are the coolest thing on earth. My hero. Shout out Logan. If you're listening, let us know. But she's got a wider sole blade. that ⁓ she's got a ⁓ alignment line on the top line and on the flange. So that's like perfect to make sure that your eyes are like right over the ball. So you can like line up those two alignment lines. If you're not aligned because of the different heights, those lines won't match up. And then also if you're not over and they do match up, then clearly like you're doctoring how the putter's sitting on the ground. to fit your misaligned eyes. But really cool there. And then it's got the true roll insert like most tailor-made putters. ⁓ Very, very cool putter. ⁓ I would just absolutely kill to be able to try this one.
Dominic Colangelo: Matt, you were saying she, ⁓ or I said it, you told me earlier. So she had used a spider last year.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, I think in 2024, maybe even later, late 2024 and then 2025, she was in a spider and she she was admittedly she was putting bad with whatever blade she was using at that time when she switched to the spider. And I think she putted a little bit better in the beginning, but she never really got back to like the same level or being like a good putter. Like she was always She was always negative strokes gain putting with the spider. felt like, ⁓ and I think it was at a low, I think it was like a low of low at the women's U S open last year at Aaron Hills. I think she wins that golf tournament. If she's an average putter at the women's U S open last year, like she was beyond bad and she was using the spider. Like I remember where I was watching and she had like four or five birdie looks like good birdie looks within 10 feet. on the lat in the back nine and it was like miss and they weren't even like close they were like they were like weak like not even getting the whole just like bad not confident strokes ⁓ and yeah and I'm glad she's back to back to the blade ⁓ it just shows that that the spider doesn't fix everything but fixes a lot doesn't fix everything
Dominic Colangelo: of Rory 2025.
Kevin Spisak: At least the like wider soul on the putter will add some forgiveness. I'd be curious like Matt, what you think about something ever since we talked about Jordan Speets putter with the TP Mills. Yeah, I read about TP Mills has frequently put the hosel of the neck of the putter to be flush with the face.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: If you can like picture that in the plumber's neck. I've been seeing like a ton of the plumbers next be back off of the face. Do you know why like they do that? Or like what? What about that with the offset of the putter would be like appealing one way or another? It's like when I read the TP Mills I was like yeah, that makes like clear sense. Like why wouldn't you want it straight up and down? It seems like that would be easier to machine for manufacturer, but. It seems like no one does that.
Matthew Zampello: Isn't that getting the blade? Because right, historically blades have a ton of toe hang. Doesn't that get you blades that have less toe hang and sit closer to face balanced?
Kevin Spisak: Not necessarily, because you could change the quantity of offset. it's the shaft axis where that goes in in relation to the clubhead center of gravity that determines the toe hang. So if the shaft axis is inside the center of gravity, the more and more would be more toe hang. So if you can picture a short plumber's neck or a slant neck, that shaft axis would be way inside the center of gravity and produce more toe hang. And then like the long neck, plumber's necks would get it more in line and you could have like a face balance blade. But like, why would it be more back versus like flush with the face?
Matthew Zampello: Right. You can get it like, yeah, yeah. I don't know. ⁓ I'll have to do some research. I don't know. It seems like, I mean, could it almost be something to do with a little bit of, you kind of get that natural, ⁓ kind of natural, like forward press a little bit.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, maybe.
Matthew Zampello: Right? Kind of with the labs where the labs kind of have that, you know, like natural, cause it sits back a little bit further.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, maybe I still think you would control the amount of offset in the neck with the construction of the top of the neck.
Matthew Zampello: Right. Right, right, right. Yeah. I don't know.
Kevin Spisak: It just seems like from a manufacturing standpoint, they'd be way easier to make that flush with the face. You know, but I don't know. We'll have to dig into that because when I read about it, I was just like, huh, it's an interesting point and definitely never thought of. And in the like Jordan Spieth conversation, you're talking about like the Jordan felt like it was a more stable putter than anything. Any of the Scotty Pro, Pro does that he was trying.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. tough scene for Scotty on that one.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, but weird, weird tangent, but I just wanted to ask what you thought of it.
Matthew Zampello: No, I've never even, you I've been going through my putter rows myself, but haven't come across that one yet. I haven't gotten any long necks, but I think I've found the one for me.
Dominic Colangelo: Long neck.
Kevin Spisak: Will's Ella Torres. And then the ball she plays a TV 5X. Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah.
Matthew Zampello: You're a guy. you
Dominic Colangelo: And one more time, Kevin, I know you said it before, but remind me, what is the difference between X and TB5?
Kevin Spisak: Tailor made has to be different. So the TP5 is the Pro V1X. The TP5X is the Pro V1.
Dominic Colangelo: But what is the difference in the balls?
Kevin Spisak: ⁓ sorry, the TP5 would spin more than the TP5X. ⁓ Yeah. Sorry. I assumed that was a given. My apologies.
Dominic Colangelo: Gotcha. I was like, come on, Kevin, you got it. Very good.
Matthew Zampello: I found ⁓ a Pro V1 Left Dash this weekend. Played it really well. Or Pro V1 X Left Dash. I'm sorry. I really liked it. Was very impressed with it. Hit some bong. I might. Yeah, I'm gonna. I got a couple more in the back, so I'm gonna try it out.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah? Nice. You gonna start using it? There you go, I like it. Well, Nelly Korda, huge fan. I think we've set up multiple times on this show, but if you ever wanna emulate a golf swing, go watch LPGA, cause they're butter. It's so fun to watch. ⁓ So then what would be the next major coming up for them? Is that the KPMG or is it Evian?
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. know the order that they go. It might be the... No, I don't think it's the Women's US Open. Yeah, I think it's the KPMG. I don't know. But I think... And I don't know where that is this year.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, not sure, but regardless, go watch some women's sports. It's electric. It's growing. ⁓ I did hear that some rumblings at the broadcast was like not up to par. Like it really wasn't as good as it could have been. So if you were watching, then that's unfortunate timing because whatever. But ⁓ so moving back to PGA, the next tournament that we have coming up is the Cadillac Championship. And this is at Trump National Doral, ⁓ nicknamed the Blue Monster. Matt, what do you have to say about the Blue Monster?
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ going back one second, sorry. Women's US Open is next. Riviera, which is sick. Dom, we might have to send you out for little on course reporting. KPMG is at Hazelty.
Dominic Colangelo: Okay. I, you know, they're selling tickets at Costco, like hotcakes.
Kevin Spisak: You
Matthew Zampello: Dude, we're gonna send you out for some encore reporting. Go see Nelly in person.
Dominic Colangelo: I actually, we should do that. That'd be fun. I'll take Brie. She's okay. We should actually use Brie as a field correspondent. She's incredible on camera. We should maybe make that happen.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. I love it. Yeah, I'm in. I think it's a great idea.
Dominic Colangelo: All right, beautiful. So, ⁓ you know, before we move on, actually, did y'all have anything else to add about Chevron or Nellie or LPGA?
Kevin Spisak: Mm-hmm. Nelly's sick.
Matthew Zampello: Nelly's awesome. ⁓ Watch more women's golf. I think it's a great thing. I think it, I think they swing it far more like us than we swing like the PGA Tour guys.
Dominic Colangelo: So Matt, take us through though Trump Doral. What do you have to say about Trump Doral?
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ Yeah, the blue monster. We used to have a PGA Tour event very famously at Doral back in the early or kind of like, yeah, like early 2010s. ⁓ Gil Hans completely did a redesign of it. So it's a lot harder now. Gil Hans is normal thing. He takes out a couple of bunkers, replaces them, puts them in better spots. ⁓ The last tournament there, Liv actually had a tournament there. two years ago, think, something like that. So, Liv's been there recently. ⁓ Very, very famous for Rory ⁓ throwing his iron into the water after he hit that shot. If you remember that one where he just absolutely... Yeah, he absolutely helicoptered that iron into the water. That was sick. ⁓ Yeah, Doral's awesome. It's super close to an airport. You get a bunch of big airplanes flying over it. ⁓
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, and then someone went and fished it out.
Matthew Zampello: It's in a cool spot, so it's good to have Miami back on the calendar. And Dom, if you remember our ideal PGA Tour schedule, we even talked about the Formula One race and the Miami Championship being at the same time. That's happening this week, I had no idea.
Dominic Colangelo: It's because Brian Rolap is listening to us. That's why. It's actually incredible that you called that.
Kevin Spisak: haha
Matthew Zampello: That's right. That's right. So the formula, the formula one races in Miami this weekend and the Cadillac championship is in Miami and there's a ginormous Trump gold statue now that just got put out. Just to put the cherry on top of everything. You can't make this shit up.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha ha.
Dominic Colangelo: Is there really? ⁓ that's funny. ⁓ so you were saying that there, there was a tournament back here. Is there a specific reason why they stopped playing here?
Matthew Zampello: can't remember what happened. was, yeah, was the WGC. I guess they blew up the WGCs, right? And then they...
Kevin Spisak: Wasn't it the WGC blow up? Yeah. Yeah, they had the WGC Cadillac championship and then with the revised ⁓ schedule, WGC kind of went wayward. ⁓ I don't remember exactly if it was the same time, but like they had like the WGC like Bridgestone Invitational was at Firestone and like a couple of these tournaments all like just
Matthew Zampello: La. Fires.
Kevin Spisak: fell out and then I think there's now only like two WGC events where there used to be six, I believe. ⁓ But like WGC used to be, it was like top 50 in the world made WGC events and then they were like, you know, in the PGA tour season. And wasn't the Dell match play championship a part of the WGC as well?
Matthew Zampello: You're right. Yep. Yep. Del match play in Austin. ⁓ Yeah. I think this week, the big thing is somebody who used to tear apart Doral was our favorite son, P Reed. ⁓ So I think anybody that anybody that wins this week has to have an asterisk on the wind because P's not in the field. So I'm just throwing it out there. I don't make the rules, but I think this
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, it's a fun event. He would love that chorus.
Dominic Colangelo: One and done pick, P-read.
Matthew Zampello: Well, he's not in the field. ⁓ you could pick him because he's not in the field.
Dominic Colangelo: You dirty dog. ⁓ you bitch.
Matthew Zampello: Alright, ⁓ transitioning to golf news. So the biggest news over the last week, week and a half, Jim Furyk is the Ryder Cup captain. My initial thoughts is we're cooked in Ireland. There's no way we're gonna win. I think they just offered him up as like a sacrificial lamb at this point.
Kevin Spisak: You
Dominic Colangelo: I think it's because they want Keegan to play and not have the whole, is he gonna play and coach scenario.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, maybe. Jim Furyk was a prior captain,
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, in Paris, where we got coo-
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim Pirich has so many like six stats in his playing career, not necessarily in his captaining career.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, I think he was the one where, where Patrick Reed kind of got in trouble and then they didn't pair with Jordan. They got all upset in Paris or something. I don't know. I just think, I think basically like the PGA of America was like, look, we're going to lose in Ireland. It's fine. Let's just send out somebody. ⁓ It's like, it's like they're, they're, they're tanking in the NBA. We're just looking for number one draft pick in, in for 2029.
Dominic Colangelo: Why I feel like I should know this, but why is it so crazy that a captain could play at the same time? What are they actually doing day by day on the course besides driving around?
Matthew Zampello: think they do much. I mean, they set the lineup and they like.
Dominic Colangelo: Set matchups probably, but I don't know if that's day to day. isn't that set?
Kevin Spisak: I think it's probably like I think it's like a mental preparation thing. Like if you're playing, you've got to be like so locked in to your performance and your like headspace to play well. Where if you're captaining, you're just thinking about everyone else. These guys are like so good that maybe that's not that big of a deal, but like the other team is also so good that you probably need every ounce of your mental and physical capacity to play at a high level.
Dominic Colangelo: I like that answer.
Matthew Zampello: I just think like I Obviously the euros know how to do it so well like like Luke Donald does so much behind the scenes and it's like we I feel like we just don't operate at that level there's all these like analytics now that go with it and ⁓ famously Dodo Molinari is like the analytics god of ⁓ The euro team and and we have We don't have anybody. I don't think we do. I mean I think we kind of do but
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Matthew Zampello: not to the level that the euros do.
Kevin Spisak: I saw some stories talking about like the European mentality towards the writer cup is that they hold it in like such higher esteem than the U S does. And like, therefore like in the mental head space, like the team guns at it and gives it every single thing that they've got physically and mentally where like the U S guys are like thinking about is Patrick Cantlay going to wear a hat today or not, or, you know, like some like separate, you meteor advertising type of thing that's like totally not a part of the golf. You know, they're thinking about their like Polo Ralph Lauren uniform, you know, some just like dumb thing that is like not all in on the Ryder Cup. We're like as spectators like we're all in on the Ryder Cup, but like the players aren't.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: which can we get a different designer? I think we need better uniform. I like it, but like, let's just change, we change everything up every year. Like let's get something that looks cooler.
Kevin Spisak: I wish.
Matthew Zampello: What do mean? Polaroid photos are great.
Kevin Spisak: Now, Paul, Paul, socks. I can't stand the Polo Ralph Lauren like gets all the Ryder Cup gear and all the US Olympic gear and I can't stand it. It looks like just so I don't know how to describe. I just like can't imagine like that peak. Peak athletic performance being Polo Ralph Lauren and not Nike.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: It's wild. It's like you're going to ⁓ your grade school picture day whenever you're wearing all her stuff.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah. It's like you're shopping at the children's place or gap.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, actually, bringing in Nike would be very cool. I would love to see that. How much neon can they fit into one?
Kevin Spisak: Nike would absolutely kill it.
Matthew Zampello: No, that's terrible. That's a terrible idea. That's a bad idea. It needs to be like something like Holderness and Born or something. like that. Yeah. Based on that. Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: Are they an American brand? Okay. Yeah, we'll take it.
Kevin Spisak: I'm so do anything anything I'll accept any brand other than Polo and Tommy Hilfiger any anything else I'll accept.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ You said two of the same things. What are you talking about?
Kevin Spisak: That's what I'm saying.
Dominic Colangelo: You
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ Moving on. ⁓ So big news this week, McLaren Golf ⁓ with the... I can't believe I'm saying stupid words. truly... That's not something I had on my bingo card for 2026. But McLaren Golf, Justin Rose is playing a nearly full bag of McLaren clubs. I don't know, I think he still has spooky wedges in there. yeah, WTF man, you're playing some of the best golf of your career? And he's like, ⁓ I did this once in 2019, it sucked. So let's try it again with the new equipment company. So.
Kevin Spisak: you
Dominic Colangelo: Did you happen to watch, ⁓ I know you didn't Matt, but Kevin, did you watch the Grant Horvat and Justin Rose video? So on there, it's a quick note about it. He had basically mentioned, Garrett, mean, Grant asked, who's your best friend on tour? And then he said that all of his friends are at Live. So he's like, we don't even talk anymore. Not like they hate each other. They just, you know, the different schedules are doing this and that. ⁓ So like.
Kevin Spisak: No.
Dominic Colangelo: He just wanted to be back with his friends and be like, live and just change everything mid season, I guess. Kind of like the OKGC, you know, they wanted to switch up everything possible mid season. Yeah.
Matthew Zampello: Well, Ian Polder's playing him too. Now McLaren Golf Club on Liv would be sick.
Dominic Colangelo: That, yeah, that makes more sense.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, that would be very cool. I think.
Dominic Colangelo: With the F1, do all of it.
Matthew Zampello: That would be... Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: I think McLaren is just like luxury brands like to make luxury items. like, know, golf is just like such a luxury sport. There's a simple parallel. Like someone asked me like why, you know, they make these top end cars. Why would they even consider, you know, making golf clubs? Aren't there like watch manufacturers that make all these like random different products that just luxury brand one way or another?
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, I just feel like it's weird to be playing some of the best golf of your career and change up everything. You know what? I guess he's probably getting the bat. Well, I don't actually think he's an investor. I don't think he's getting paid. So I think he has equity in the company. But.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: they've been they've been working with him for like two years so I'm assuming all the specs are like pretty in tune with what he's wanting and I'm sure he had some testing involved but like it is kind of weird golf is such like a formula export and you use what works and yeah it is very strange I'm curious if he keeps his five wood though
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: Fart. formulaic like Formula 1.
Dominic Colangelo: Ooh, poet and you didn't even know it.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Matthew Zampello: I think he's got the McLaren woods in the bag too. Or I actually don't know. haven't seen underneath. I haven't seen under the covers yet if he's playing the playing the woods or not. I actually haven't. I haven't dug into that, but I'll dig into it this weekend. I've seen the irons, the irons actually look. I mean, they kind of look cool. I mean, I can think something looks cool, but I think it's a stupid ass decision to play them.
Dominic Colangelo: Have you seen them? Have you seen the irons?
Kevin Spisak: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: I feel like you just changed your opinion mid-sentence looking at her face.
Matthew Zampello: I don't know.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, I am going to make a bet that and if this happens, both of you owe me a shot at some given point. Adam Scott is going to play these McLaren clubs one at one time. This year, next year, Adam's Adam Scott is going to he's definitely going to play McLaren irons.
Dominic Colangelo: Okay, I still do.
Matthew Zampello: No, he's too classy for that. But I'll totally bet you
Dominic Colangelo: Well, it's funny you say that, Matt, because going off what Kevin said about class and like high class, whatever, I feel like Justin Rose is the perfect person on tour to be playing these clubs. It's weird they did it mid-season, like, like whenever you think of class, it's Justin Rose. And then like you said, Kevin, Adam Scott as well. Like it makes perfect sense. And I will take that bet because that'd be a fun shot to have, you know?
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, 100%. If it's so well, if they had announced this with like, period, I probably would have thrown up.
Matthew Zampello: P would probably be playing like Mercedes G-Wagon irons or something like that. No, that's Russell Henley. ⁓ shit, that was mean.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha ha ha. Ugh. Ugh.
Dominic Colangelo: Honda Civic Irons.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha ha!
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ Alright moving on I'll be putting the Gordon Ramsay wedges in my bag later this week and I'll report back. Live New Orleans is delayed. ⁓ I want to pull up the quote quickly so if you have some thoughts on being delayed while I pull up this quote I think it's great.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha ha ha.
Dominic Colangelo: Uhhh It's so funny, I mean it's just, it's very live of them to do all this. And your tweet that you put out is perfect. Zip, snap, zip, snap, zip, snap.
Matthew Zampello: right, I did. So something funny I saw for this. So the live, they said they issued a postponement citing a strategic decision and avoiding the crowded sports calendar. Kyle Porter, who's a really good golf reporter, tweeted, yes, avoiding the crowded global sports calendar by moving a golf event into football season. So I thought that was great. I think Liv is on its deathbed. I think it's about to be. I think the plugs need to be pulled here in the next couple weeks if I'm a betting man.
Dominic Colangelo: There's a good point. mean, we are in, isn't this the sports equinox coming up where every sport is active, but it's so weird because you want to watch it or you want people to watch it, but you put it in the spot where nobody's going to watch it. Makes no sense.
Matthew Zampello: Right? Yeah, I just I think they're scrambling for everything that they possibly can right now. I think it's. I think it's pretty yeah, I think it's pretty bleak, so.
Dominic Colangelo: At this point, it clicks for engagement. Like that's all their kind. Get some stuff from the TikTok creator fund is what they're going for. That's how they're to fund their tournaments.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ and then on the equipment front, a couple things, ⁓ Titleist GTS is now booking for fittings. So if you're, if you're looking to get a new driver, GTS, supposedly it's faster than GT. GT was a pretty dang good driver. ⁓ so I'd look at that. then today Odyssey released, a Damascus steel version of the Odyssey number seven. If you saw it. Freaking.
Dominic Colangelo: No way.
Kevin Spisak: I did see they are so cool looking.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, two for sick and I got myself into a 7s right now so I've been I have an eye on it unfortunately. I'm in a white hot 7s and I love how soft the the white hot insert is so I'm worried. I don't know how I've never hit a Damascus Steel Putter but I'm assuming it's pretty soft.
Kevin Spisak: You should get it. You gotta get it and let us know what you think.
Dominic Colangelo: Bye. ⁓
Kevin Spisak: I can't possibly put together how you love the white hot and you're such a golf purist loving the insert. You just scream 303 stainless. That is the only thing you can be feeling between your ball.
Dominic Colangelo: What the heck?
Matthew Zampello: Dude, I have been lost with the putter. ⁓ And I had the stainless steel 2018 Scotty Cameron ⁓ fastback for a while that I was playing and like just felt like I couldn't find the sweet spot. And I have put this number seven in play and just putted better than I've putted for a long, long time. The ball comes out rolling end over end. and it comes out on my line and it comes out with good speed. So I just, maybe I'll go to like the basically the number seven copy of the Scotty Cameron is my thought, but I don't know, man. Why not? If it's not fixed, if it's not broken, don't fix it. So.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, Phantom 7. You gotta get a Phantom 7 and a Damascus and compare them with your white hot 7. That'd be sick.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah. Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: Might as well. While we're on the topic of putters quick, so we've been talking about Tony Finaus putter a ton. So what is, do you know Kevin, the, is that an insert that's the like the putter face? Like I'm curious why all these other putters have, you know, the milled face, the grooves, the yes putter on Matt Fitzpatrick, but then Tony Finaus is flat.
Kevin Spisak: So isn't you're saying like his new one, the the new Scottsdale. So so it's an insert. ⁓ It doesn't have like the grooves like the so it'd be kind of like the white hot how it's like a flat insert and their Scottsdale's that they've had in the past. The Scottsdale, Scottsdale TR lots of putters they've had through the years have had inserts, but they've been flat. ⁓ And their.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, the the shot down.
Kevin Spisak: But it's got like a little bit of surface like friction to it. ⁓ It's not grooves like the the white high micro hinge or the spider. ⁓ You true roll insert, but they're looking for like launch and like roll characteristics that the inserts going to give. So I feel like I'm kind of rambling a little bit, but like it is so different depending on the face. They don't necessarily need grooves to like. grab and grip the ball because the material interaction with the ball is like producing the role that they want.
Dominic Colangelo: Damn, that's cool. I want one so bad.
Kevin Spisak: You have to buy one. They're so cool.
Dominic Colangelo: I want to play around with that. ⁓ What is the industry term for when the shaft is in the center, but it's a little bit offset?
Kevin Spisak: On set is what that is. Tony Finau's putter is on set where the face is in front of the chef.
Dominic Colangelo: Okay. Gotcha, okay. Which I think would benefit me, because there's a picture on our last golf trip, Matt, that ⁓ Brennan really was laughing at. So I'm putting, and like my putter head is like in front of the ball somehow. And it's like above my hip. Like my backswing is here, but for some reason I like follow through like crazy. I've since gotten better at putting, but like that picture is so funny.
Kevin Spisak: Ahem.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, we'll have to get Brendan on here one of these days and give us some coaching tips.
Dominic Colangelo: think we do. I think we do. I gotta get up to Fargo. So is there any other notes about the news and the golf world these days? If not, we can get right into some trivia.
Kevin Spisak: No. Get into I'm good to go to trivia, man. You good for trivia? I every every week, I'm scared to ask the tricky questions. I think that's going to nail me on it. And there's they're supposed to be. Yeah. No, no, no. It's like, what does WGC stand for?
Matthew Zampello: If it's on Cadillac Championship. If it's on the is it on the Cadillac Championship? Oh, man, because that was my that was my prime golf watching time was like in that early 2020 10s. I was watching a lot of golf. can you can ask me a lot of questions about the early 2010s. I'll get them.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah. I'm sure you would. The way I like approach the trivia questions is that I want them to be challenging, but I want them to be like get a bowl. So with that typical bet, we'll chug a beer. Since I'm on a work trip, I don't have a beer ready at my disposal, but I do right next door. So I'll send you a vid if someone gets this. I'm scared to ask it, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. So Trump National Dural has four golf courses. We've got the Blue Monster that they're playing for this tournament. Give me the name of one of the other courses. There's three others.
Matthew Zampello: Only one of them?
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, only one of them.
Matthew Zampello: It's the red sun.
Kevin Spisak: Wait, wait, wait, wait, you answer, maybe you should have to and dumb as one.
Matthew Zampello: Okay, I'll have two.
Dominic Colangelo: That's not fair. I was ready to ride my mad scope tails.
Kevin Spisak: I'll give you a clue that they are in the same format as Blue Monster.
Matthew Zampello: Oh man, it's the red. What is the red? No, it's not the red monster. It's the red. It's a different animal or a different mythical creature.
Kevin Spisak: Can you keep your thoughts to yourself, please? No, maybe, yes, I don't know.
Matthew Zampello: Am I close? The Red Panther.
Dominic Colangelo: Red Fox.
Kevin Spisak: Okay, that's your guess. Take it. That's your final guesses.
Dominic Colangelo: Yes.
Matthew Zampello: the red panther and then I think it's the black something. can't, I don't know the other.
Dominic Colangelo: Silver Fox.
Kevin Spisak: Nailed it. Wow, you son of a bitch. Yes.
Dominic Colangelo: No way. I was thinking of, uh, let's go. was thinking of Rory and Anderson Cooper whenever he mentioned it.
Matthew Zampello: Did you- is it the silver fox?
Kevin Spisak: That's as unreal. I was about to do the bells like ding, ding, ding. We're done. And then Don just throws silver facts. ⁓ that's brutal. So we've got blue monster, red tiger, golden. Yeah, red tiger, golden palm and silver fox. Yeah, you said you said like red fox or something like that. And I was going to be like, ⁓ wrong animal. It's tiger.
Matthew Zampello: What is the other one? Red tie!
Dominic Colangelo: What are these names? You're a little bit... ⁓ I'm surprised you can hear me. I'm talking out of my ass while I'm sitting down.
Kevin Spisak: Alright. I know that's how all of them go. I'll send you guys a video of me chugging but.
Matthew Zampello: All right. I'm finishing off my, ⁓ for you, Dom.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ beautiful. I'll do it too for fun.
Kevin Spisak: Well, good job, Dan.
Dominic Colangelo: Totally planned, every one I've gotten right is just like a throwaway.
Matthew Zampello: I have a quick trivia question for you guys. There's a very famous video at Doral where somebody, we can cut this out, where somebody says, be the number, it's one of our favorite golfers. It's very famous video. We can cut this out, because I was hoping.
Dominic Colangelo: Wait, isn't that NoLayingUp's intro? Be the number.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ no, that there's one of that one. ⁓ I'll send you this video. We can cut this out, but it's Patrick Reed and he was like, it's a very funny video.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ really? Okay, yeah, Senate.
Kevin Spisak: Now that you say that, it's ringing some bells.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: be the number today. That's no laying up.
Matthew Zampello: That's a house sudden at the players.
Dominic Colangelo: OK. All right. I'll just transition to one of duns, and then we'll cut. Okay, we'll get into one and done's now. After we'll clip in Kevin drinking a beer right now.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha ha.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ so, ⁓ this, for this recent week, it was a, it was a little bit different where, ⁓ you know, it's a, it's a paired up tournament. So we kind of had clean slate, choose whoever you want. ⁓ if you chose them or not, whatever. And then they do not reflect ongoing, mean, upcoming tournaments. So, you know, Matt can still choose Brooks, Capca if he wants. And so on that note, he chose Brooks and Shane Lowry and they ended up. 41 was replacement. And then I chose Tony Finau and Greyersman and I was at 36. And you're noticing that those numbers are pretty high. That is because we both missed the cut. Kevin's team was the only one that made the cut. Very good choice. Aaron Rye and Figala. They ended up at 24. So really good for Kevin. know, and it's very unfortunate because this is my first missed cut. And it's the one, it was the perfect one to miss because I didn't really get that big of a number, like that big of a dispersion for Matt. I know he was very mad in our group chat about that. But our total number is now, Matt is sitting at 559, Kevin is at 356, and I am at 230. So we're getting a little bit closer. think week by week, Kevin is just chipping away, trying to get closer to me. Like we said, majors are double. So that's going to be coming up here pretty soon, but going into the Cadillac Championship, Matt, as our highest current scorer, what is your choice for one and done?
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, I was thinking about a lot. was I like Russell Henley, but he doesn't hit it very far and derails a big ballpark. Tommy Tommy Fleetwood, but you know, he picking waiting for him at the majors. ⁓ Thought this could be a good week for Scottie Scheffler. He's always an easy pick, but again, kind of waiting for the majors on this one. I think I'm going to go Nikolai Hoygard, ⁓ big bomber.
Kevin Spisak: Blue Monster.
Dominic Colangelo: Okay.
Matthew Zampello: You know, yeah, think he he consistently I'm kind of going to the dom world. I'm kind of going I'm not going for the win. I'm going for the top.
Dominic Colangelo: There you go. That's a great idea.
Kevin Spisak: and he's gonna miss the cut.
Dominic Colangelo: Sorry Nikolai.
Matthew Zampello: Probably, but if I have the one winner this year, if I pick the one winner.
Kevin Spisak: You didn't pick a No, no, no, that didn't happen. That didn't happen. No. All right. Let's keep moving on. Let's keep moving on. Let's not focus on that. So anyways, so my pick, I'm just kidding, Matt. Uh, that is definitely a good pick. I think he will do well.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, I did. Matt Fitzpatrick at RBC Heritage. I know, know, know Kevin's.
Dominic Colangelo: He's messing with you. Don't fall into the trap, man. He's messing with you. Nah, you're in it now. You're a dick. Who's your choice?
Kevin Spisak: Uh, I'm going to go with our boy, team McLaren team formula one, team Justin Rose official world golf rankings. Number five. He's going to rip it up with his new clubs. It's going to be so sick. McLaren is going to pay him so much money. His equity is going to pay him back immediately. It's going be incredible.
Dominic Colangelo: Ooh. Okay, I actually, you know, I love it. Why not? Maybe he stuns everybody. He's gonna stun all the bookies out there and everyone's gonna be betting against them. It's gonna be good. So my choice, I was hoping that one of you would choose one of my two so I don't have to make the decision myself. But on the topic of bombers, I'm just gonna go ahead and pick, give me Cameron Young.
Matthew Zampello: Good pick. I was there too. Looked at him.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, it was going to be him or Hideki. I just feel like because it's going to be set up like a major. It's just a nice course and Hideki loves majors. But ⁓ Cameron Young bombs it. He is pretty good at not getting bogeys. So I'm assuming, I'm just thinking he's going to make the cut and we're just going to play some defense. Matt, say it again.
Kevin Spisak: Good pick. Yeah. Yeah, World Golf number four. World Golf rankings number four.
Dominic Colangelo: Yes sir. Matt, were saying before, ⁓ you know, while you're kind of talking through your picks, you were saying, ⁓ I want to choose him. He doesn't bomb it though. Like who are you kind of going between?
Matthew Zampello: Russell Henley looked at him, he doesn't really bomb it. I don't know, we haven't seen Doral in such a long time, so I don't know who plays well, like JG's spawn, but he hits it far but not super far. I've already picked Pearson Cootie, can't pick him again.
Dominic Colangelo: That worked out well.
Kevin Spisak: Ha ha.
Matthew Zampello: ⁓ Rio Hitsatsune thought about him for a while. Yeah, I mean, you just got to hit it. feel like this course has always done well with bombers. Bubba played well here historically. ⁓ I think DJ won here a couple of times back when he was ⁓ not fishing. But, you know, I just feel like it's a kind of a bomber's paradise, unfortunately. I mean, not unfortunately, it's a skill in some.
Dominic Colangelo: Mm-hmm.
Matthew Zampello: some aspects so I feel like Russell Henley might win now though that's gonna suck if he does
Dominic Colangelo: Well, beautiful.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, this course is 7,739 yards, so it's.
Matthew Zampello: Jeez, at sea level.
Dominic Colangelo: long course.
Kevin Spisak: At sea level, it's going to take a bomber to win the first hole right out the gate. 578. 472, 440, 227 part three, letting it rip.
Matthew Zampello: Parv-Thot.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, that's why.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah, Min Woo Lee could be great pick.
Dominic Colangelo: He's been doing OK this year. That's kind of why I was thinking Hideki, because it kind of rewards those really good ball strikers. So could be there. But yeah, Minwoo, he's very streaky, I feel like. He's very up and down. So I'm not really sure there.
Kevin Spisak: I have a quick, we should talk about this next week in our review. Hole 10, par 5, 608 yards. How many eagles do you think we have?
Dominic Colangelo: Dang it.
Matthew Zampello: Over and out.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, like. Are there going to be any is it going to be two is it going to yeah I I don't know that's my question is like I want to like look back at this next week. For guys who can hit it so far. How many of them can actually like get on into and how many will get on into and make eagles I think that would be a fun experiment to look back at.
Matthew Zampello: the EU.
Dominic Colangelo: Yeah, like, are you setting a line at?
Matthew Zampello: I think the over under, I think the line would be three and a half.
Dominic Colangelo: the whole tournament.
Matthew Zampello: Yeah.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ boy.
Kevin Spisak: Yeah, that's like that's so tough to take the over. I like really want to. But like that is such a challenge. It's it's so long.
Dominic Colangelo: Gimme the over there.
Matthew Zampello: On three and a half.
Dominic Colangelo: In the whole tournament, think there will be more than, I think more than three people will get one.
Kevin Spisak: Alright, if that was taking the over, I'll take the under loser takes a shot.
Matthew Zampello: I would take the under.
Dominic Colangelo: Boom. Love it. All right. I love that. We're going to clip this back. It's going be great. So thanks for listening. We appreciate you. Excited to see the ⁓ Cadillac Championship coming up. Once again, go watch LPGA. I'll be some boots on the ground during the tournament at Hazel Teen. It's going to be awesome. Follow us on our socials, ⁓ at Under the Covers, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, ⁓ at Under the Covers Golf. My apologies.
Kevin Spisak: Bam.
Dominic Colangelo: ⁓ But yeah, see you next week.
Matthew Zampello: Shout out P Reid asterisks for the winner this week at Cadillac.
Dominic Colangelo: Asher's tally, baby.
Kevin Spisak: Thank